Comments on: New Covenant Theology Interview: Hermeneutic, System, and Questions http://www.jesussaidfollowme.org/blog/2010/04/15/new-covenant-theology-interview/ Challenging Bible Studies for Maturing Christians Fri, 18 May 2012 16:48:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Greg Gibson http://www.jesussaidfollowme.org/blog/2010/04/15/new-covenant-theology-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-34765 Greg Gibson Fri, 05 Aug 2011 07:50:42 +0000 http://www.jesussaidfollowme.org/blog/?p=539#comment-34765 Hi Brian and Wounded Ego, You asked a complex question that requires a long answer. But to try to make a long answer short... Yes, Jer. 31 is a prophesy about the New Covenant for the Jews. And if our hermeneutic is that the OT interprets the NT, then we will believe that the NC is for the Jews alone. But if our herm. is that the NT interprets the OT, then we will ask, “Who do the NT apostles interpret as Israel today?” Most scholars have recanted the view that the NC is for Jews alone. Most believe that the NC is for believing Jews and Gentiles. Others (Biblical Theologians and New Covenant Theologians) take that a step farther and say that the NC is for the New Israel, Jesus and those IN Him, believing Jews and Gentiles. Where do they get such ideas? From the New Testament apostles’ interpretation of Old Testament prophecy. I don’t have time to quote all the NT verses that show the Church (believing Jews and Gentiles) included in Israel. So I’ll leave you some links if you desire to research more. Also, the day is coming when God will restore Jews in Christ, in the Church (Rom. 11). http://www.patheos.com/community/euangelion/2011/07/13/the-church-and-israel-part-6-five-theses/ http://ids.org/author/author-geoff-volker/does-the-church-replace-israel-part-1/ http://ids.org/author/author-geoff-volker/does-the-church-replace-israel-part-2/ http://ids.org/author/author-geoff-volker/does-the-church-replace-israel-part-3/ Hi Brian and Wounded Ego,

You asked a complex question that requires a long answer. But to try to make a long answer short…

Yes, Jer. 31 is a prophesy about the New Covenant for the Jews. And if our hermeneutic is that the OT interprets the NT, then we will believe that the NC is for the Jews alone. But if our herm. is that the NT interprets the OT, then we will ask, “Who do the NT apostles interpret as Israel today?”

Most scholars have recanted the view that the NC is for Jews alone. Most believe that the NC is for believing Jews and Gentiles. Others (Biblical Theologians and New Covenant Theologians) take that a step farther and say that the NC is for the New Israel, Jesus and those IN Him, believing Jews and Gentiles. Where do they get such ideas? From the New Testament apostles’ interpretation of Old Testament prophecy.

I don’t have time to quote all the NT verses that show the Church (believing Jews and Gentiles) included in Israel. So I’ll leave you some links if you desire to research more. Also, the day is coming when God will restore Jews in Christ, in the Church (Rom. 11).

http://www.patheos.com/community/euangelion/2011/07/13/the-church-and-israel-part-6-five-theses/
http://ids.org/author/author-geoff-volker/does-the-church-replace-israel-part-1/
http://ids.org/author/author-geoff-volker/does-the-church-replace-israel-part-2/
http://ids.org/author/author-geoff-volker/does-the-church-replace-israel-part-3/

]]> By: Brian Hyde http://www.jesussaidfollowme.org/blog/2010/04/15/new-covenant-theology-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-34657 Brian Hyde Thu, 04 Aug 2011 01:11:06 +0000 http://www.jesussaidfollowme.org/blog/?p=539#comment-34657 I know this thread is a year old but I am hoping for a reply Greg. WoundedEgo above made a point that the new covenant is with the house of Israel only and not for the Gentiles Jeremiah 31:31-34 is the key text being used also by Messianic Jews who also tell me that the New Covanant is not with the Gentiles. In breif how would you refute that scripturally? I know this thread is a year old but I am hoping for a reply Greg. WoundedEgo above made a point that the new covenant is with the house of Israel only and not for the Gentiles Jeremiah 31:31-34 is the key text being used also by Messianic Jews who also tell me that the New Covanant is not with the Gentiles. In breif how would you refute that scripturally?

]]> By: Nick Mackison http://www.jesussaidfollowme.org/blog/2010/04/15/new-covenant-theology-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-8944 Nick Mackison Sun, 22 Aug 2010 08:41:23 +0000 http://www.jesussaidfollowme.org/blog/?p=539#comment-8944 They didn't try because they can't! Such a powerful argument, i.e. the NT hermeneutic. They didn’t try because they can’t! Such a powerful argument, i.e. the NT hermeneutic.

]]> By: Greg Gibson http://www.jesussaidfollowme.org/blog/2010/04/15/new-covenant-theology-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-8885 Greg Gibson Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:32:31 +0000 http://www.jesussaidfollowme.org/blog/?p=539#comment-8885 Nick, Nice to hear from you again. Thanks for the encouragement. The key is a consistent New Testament hermeneutic. I've challenged a few Covenant Theologians with this argument on their blogs, and they didn't even try to answer. Nick,

Nice to hear from you again. Thanks for the encouragement.

The key is a consistent New Testament hermeneutic. I’ve challenged a few Covenant Theologians with this argument on their blogs, and they didn’t even try to answer.

]]> By: Nick Mackison http://www.jesussaidfollowme.org/blog/2010/04/15/new-covenant-theology-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-8883 Nick Mackison Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:45:21 +0000 http://www.jesussaidfollowme.org/blog/?p=539#comment-8883 Greg, listened to this podcast and thought your arguments were outstanding. Really simple statements yet so powerful. Greg, listened to this podcast and thought your arguments were outstanding. Really simple statements yet so powerful.

]]> By: WoundedEgo http://www.jesussaidfollowme.org/blog/2010/04/15/new-covenant-theology-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-8486 WoundedEgo Sat, 07 Aug 2010 14:30:36 +0000 http://www.jesussaidfollowme.org/blog/?p=539#comment-8486 The new covenant is with the houses of Israel and Judah. Jews. Period. That is what the scriptures plainly and explicitly say. Read Jeremiah 31, for crying out loud! The new covenant is with the houses of Israel and Judah. Jews. Period. That is what the scriptures plainly and explicitly say. Read Jeremiah 31, for crying out loud!

]]> By: Greg Gibson http://www.jesussaidfollowme.org/blog/2010/04/15/new-covenant-theology-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-7138 Greg Gibson Sun, 23 May 2010 07:26:39 +0000 http://www.jesussaidfollowme.org/blog/?p=539#comment-7138 Hi Robert, Thank you for the report. I read the history of the ACC, and found it very interesting. I didn't design the book as a Christ-centered view of sanctification. Rather it's a topical study on God's law, with a brief reminder in the last chapter about the importance of Christ-centered sanctification. And I wouldn't recommend it for most churches because of the polemical nature, not too edifying. The exception is churches like yours that have a historical foundation on OT laws should find it helpful. That said, I'd like to hear your church's reaction when you're done. I'll pray that the Lord will help you all to understand what it means to live in the New Covenant. Hi Robert,

Thank you for the report. I read the history of the ACC, and found it very interesting.

I didn’t design the book as a Christ-centered view of sanctification. Rather it’s a topical study on God’s law, with a brief reminder in the last chapter about the importance of Christ-centered sanctification. And I wouldn’t recommend it for most churches because of the polemical nature, not too edifying. The exception is churches like yours that have a historical foundation on OT laws should find it helpful. That said, I’d like to hear your church’s reaction when you’re done. I’ll pray that the Lord will help you all to understand what it means to live in the New Covenant.

]]> By: Robert Creech http://www.jesussaidfollowme.org/blog/2010/04/15/new-covenant-theology-interview/comment-page-1/#comment-7131 Robert Creech Sat, 22 May 2010 15:57:34 +0000 http://www.jesussaidfollowme.org/blog/?p=539#comment-7131 I attend an Advent Christian church ( conditionalist, but evangelical) and we are using ALL OC LAWS CANCELLED as a Sunday school text. Even though some or most in the denom. leadership lean toward some version of NCT, I think the title of your book horrified several in the class. As one said, "The ten commandments-that's the first thing we're taught." Anyway, I hope I'm presenting the material in a way that they see it is not so new or radical, but the most Christ-centered approach. You will be thrilled to know that I purchased about 14 copies of your book. We're taking it nice and slow with much discussion. I attend an Advent Christian church ( conditionalist, but evangelical) and we are using ALL OC LAWS CANCELLED as a Sunday school text. Even though some or most in the denom. leadership lean toward some version of NCT, I think the title of your book horrified several in the class. As one said, “The ten commandments-that’s the first thing we’re taught.” Anyway, I hope I’m presenting the material in a way that they see it is not so new or radical, but the most Christ-centered approach. You will be thrilled to know that I purchased about 14 copies of your book. We’re taking it nice and slow with much discussion.

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